26 November 2022 — Emacs Research Group
2022-11-26 Sat — Noorah Alhasan, Joe Corneli, Leo Vivier26 November 2022 — Emacs Research Group
Check-ins
NA
Stayed home & played new Pokemon
5 family members at Thanksgiving
JC
Now a Meow Wolf SF alum!
Reminds me of Fluxus Labyrinth = [LV: w t f]
Did leave inspired about how we create experiences
2°C in Santa Fe
LV
Low energy session today because of wrist pain from yesterday's accident
Thinking 1 week of recovery time
Meta points
Joe to go into kitchen partway through the call to recharge
Leo wants to talk about PhD stuff b/c it could create some potential to work on the stuff we're looking at together longer term
Looking at the French Studies programme
This old pal of Joe's was very fixed on being a professor and went through the French Studies route
Natural progression of work with programming? In History, NLP is being applied a lot; in anthro as well, in literary studies. I went to a short workshop at the library on this kind of stuff.
Another relevant person working in digital humanities: Barbara McGillivray
Leo's previous prof introduced him to Deleuze
It's not frequent (at least in France) to find people who understand his work
In Princeton there are a lot of specialists in Derrida; there's Deleuze (mostly philosophy), Derrida (mostly literature), and Foucault (mostly history), and a lot of people gravitate around these things; these folks all have the same sources for their education, though they took it in different directions
The Derrida specialisms include Derrida's archive, and they are trying to explore how to make it a virtual library; to see the value & make connections.
Promising to make a Deleuzian/Foucaldian analysis of Derrida's archive
Leo also has appreciable teaching experience b/c Princeton has more undergrads than grads
And he's done a lot of event & cultural organisation
And on top of this is the e-research & digital library orientation o Leo's overall programming trajectory
Plus Leo's friend can help craft a good application that doesn't look weird
And on top of all this: Leo's a good communicator & if he gets into the onsight interviews he'll make a good impression.
NA: You're thinking from a grad student perspective; what will the supervisor think? They will think, what will this candidate do for me? "You're my employee." Which professor needs you the most?
JC: can you apply the mapping idea to what's there in 2022 e.g. to make some new connections between the material that's there (e.g., other people who are doing digital library & e-research stuff); having a look at Aaron Krowne's Master's thesis could be interesting
TODO Don't forget to record the session!
TODO Pre-PAR — Review the intention: what do we expect to learn or make together?
Agenda (Part 1) — Develop on "Phase II"
Intro of roles: Historian, Designer, Analyst, Kaijū Communicator
Historian
Ouline of 3 papers to write over the next few years?
(This could be mirrored roughly by the 3 letters that are coming in now to provide some track record on these areas.)
LV came back a month early from Reed and prof didn't reply, and then didn't speak with Leo for a long time; and she just said she didn't want to talk with him
Leo was feeling homesick, alongside really liking Reed
She'd written a letter of recommendation as part of the Reinne/Reed programme, so she felt that his early return reflected poorly on her
He reflected back that he was appalled at the treatment!
Designer
Changes to the field of e-research?
Previous experience with academic experience
Personal meaning of academic research to Leo — there's an analogy of an injury
As a setback
Or a blessing that changes how you consider what you're currently doing, teaching you to be more careful; it's a bit like a lobster moulting
What's "the package" that they offer?
Will you be doing a lot of teaching in the first few years?
If so, it will limit the
How what will you learn?
Currently has, on one hand, philosophy & literature/; on the other, /software development.
Possible to keep working on on the software development on the side within the program
Literature thinking & philosophical thinking have contributed to the work here at Hyperreal
What would it look like to keep applying the diligence to humanities?
So, could I pull together the different themes and have that work valued?
Cf. "code poetry"; here instead it would be "code philosophy"
It's a small group of people who pull together philosophy and programming (Alex K, Manuel Delanda, maybe a few others)
Analyst
Maybe it's good to be able to move between different contexts & roles
Does the institution value curiosity?
Previous experience w/ the old prof might have led her to employ her own curiosity to find out what was going on with her
But Leo was spending more time programming than doing research; also didn't necessarily have the maturity to, e.g., ask for the supervision he was needing.
Derrida: originally doing literature and had to go to philosophy to make progress
Kaijū Communicator
Maybe I'm not cut out for corporate development
What if you get into another relationship?
What would you do if you run into another version of the old professor, how would you deal with that next time?
Old prof was the embodiment of LV's lack of rigour!
If I were to find someone whe went the same route, he could deploy rigour in that setting.
BREAK
Agenda (Part 2) — How did that go?
Significantly drew Leo into the conversation!
Reminiscent of House MD as well!
Roles could be there as 'patterns'
We didn't hand out the roles among the participants this time
However we only had 3 people so Leo was in the role of 'explainer'
I grew a little disenchanted with the project
2 weeks ago I knew what I wanted to do with my life (e.g., back then I was just making great progress with programming)
Now I've reopened Pandora's box about feelings; the programming stuff is what taught me to be rigorous! I love being curious, but I particularly love it in the context in which the code works?
Noorah was able to deploy fresh knowledge about academia
Joe added some reflections from 6 & 20 years ago
NA: I find it's more political, if there's nothing else going on I could have finished my PhD. That stuff didn't help me.
JC: Worried that the higher up you go on the ivory tower the more political it can become
LV: Friend says that the department is all leftist thinking...
NA: Are they open in terms of interdisciplinary work?!
If you say you want someone from Digital Humanities or Libraries on your committee... how would they react. In my experience they are very siloed. Can you get them to meet you where you? And French Studies has the potential to be very niche.
Are the professors boomers...?
Keep this in mind: you'll get some pushback.
Also look at programs in information schools, e.g., you can bring in the philosophy stuff.
Recap for Abby
LV thinking of applying to PhD programme in Princeton
However LV was previously set on doing corporate programming or consulting
So this is a bit of a crossroads
Pain
How do we mesh the idea of the 4 roles w/ the patterns?
Maybe the patterns (in general) are comprise
Context: Conflict X HOWEVER Y [Kaiju]
Rationale: xxx BECAUSE zzz [Analyst]
Solution: www therefore ppp [Designer]
Action: Specifically ...
[Historian]
We did move from myth to litany!
We started w/ passion for research etc
We then talked about the worldview in academia
The systems of research (e.g., including politics)
The specific things that Leo should take into account
BUT: I come out of this meeting feeling a little less stable
I had assurance in my mind that I was going to be turning myself into a software developer
Now I am dealing with my previous trauma in academia and this is making me think, can I retreat into comfort —
The Princeton path is high-risk high-reward
Systems view would be coming up with a plan; litany could be, envisioning what this looks like
But I find myself closer to wanting to bail, out of self-preservation
NA: If I was considering this thing and people said this is going to turn like shit b/c of all of our trauma... but you're only being overwhelmed with information.
LV [...] : I enjoyed removing myself from the need to become a professor! Now, I find that I still want to be a teacher & still want to be curious. What would allow me to go back to the system layer: "Those are 2 great options, apply whilst having a great profile & pursuing software development." If I make a choice between 2 great projects, I'll end up with something great. What if I just consider it to be a job?
Can I focus more on the impact system wide?
Disorder
We've almost created an element of disorder through new information that needs to be dealt w/ or filtered, and Leo hasn't (yet) engaged w/ some of this b/c he previously disengaged from academia
So the previous model didn't really accommodate this
Magic mushrooms: sandcastles can be reset, what does the landscape look like then? What does it feel like when you're trying to scaffold
JC: It's a psychological workout; is it a useful one?
LV: When my Princeton friend suggested this, eventually one new tree nubilates me — it takes all my attention. It's potential roots below the surface make me nervous.
Pragmatism would solidify things in the system layer; it doesn't have to change anything other than this, it's just another map on the bigger constellation
Now the problem is that I have a constellation that's remote from what I've been (previously) doing in humanities
I moved from a map w/ 100 nodes, now I am considering 300 nodes all together!
Do I want to trim some thing, e.g., supervisor trauma?
I'm now like the witches that cut lives of dead people — Charites
JC: maybe you need a phase of consolidation
PAR
1. Establish what is happening: what and how are we learning?
Working in a micro-pilot with Leo as subject matter expert
Let's not be lazy about how we involve the body
2. What are some different perspectives on what's happening?
I'm glad we had this exercise with Leo b/c it made me consider how do we facilitate when people are overwhelmed with information in Phase 2? I want to think about this more?
Do we decide the scenarios beforehand or pick up from Phase 1?
You can also have sub-scenarios?
LV: I did feel vulnerable about talking about personal stuff, ego, etc., but now I can look at it with fresh eyes. The choices here won't change who I am; but I need to think a lot.
This meeting has led me to understand: if I felt confident before, what was it about this tree that caused me to feel nervous?
I feel less stress
3. What did we learn or change?
The patterns & roles are something that we have to work on as facilitators?
"Aha, you've used the Kaijū Communicator pattern?"
But if they didn't use the pattern then how can we prompt it?
How can we scaffold the return from the myth layer, in a way that feels light for the participants?
All I've been doing in programming, I owe only to myself... with university, I did it within a set setting for learning; at university you're supposed to learn — it feels almost like a different person did this. It's one of my many lives... — I find it difficult to identify with this past body, and here I feel more in control; I may need to maintain the same stance that has made me sane & has allowed me to make regular progress, and I should focus on the things that work in this
4. What else should we change going forward?
Maybe rather than putting all the cards on the table, we expose the cards as people use them?
Imbrication of aha moments
Could we get people making little tricks of HOWEVER, BECAUSE, THEREFORE, SPECIFICALLY, constituting new patterns
There might be a (serendipity) pattern here: "What nurtures opportunity for you?"
Tentative agenda for next week
Meeting next Wednesday at 3PM UK / 9AM Central
Check-out
NA
There are docs to review on the github
Ready for lunch (per usual)
JC: :-)
Will commit notes
JC
Let's try to deploy Noorah's "bring a question" pattern for next time
Going to some markets next
I have an idea of an action for us but need to formulate it
AT
It's been nice to have a little sample of how you put this into action w/ Leo's case; the different use of language around scenarios, patterns, roles: how they are distinct & how they overlap. How do we describe patterns & scenarios emerging, roles, changing?
JC: technical aspect of this
LV
Now need 10+ hours of sleep, to recover
I forgot to buy my mushrooms
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