08 October 2022 — Emacs Research Group

2022-10-08 Sat — Noorah Alhasan, Joe Corneli, Leo Vivier

08 October 2022 — Emacs Research Group

Check-ins

NA

  • feeling under the weather; most likely seasonal cold/allergies

  • We featured in Noorah’s dreams! Leo showed up half-naked...; Joe accused NA of stealing his book which was Belgium’s constitution.

    • LV: Not too unrealistic, and besides Joe does love his books

    • JC: Dreams are cool :-)

    • NA: People are usually harbingers of something else...

JC

  • Feels sorry about the low-energy from last week (but everything’s fine!)

LV

  • Doing fine, has a wound on his shin from biking

  • Weekending progresses apace

Meta points

TODO Don't forget to record the session!LV

TODO Pre-PAR — Review the intention: what do we expect to learn or make together?

  • We had ‘almost’ created a recurring meeting with Abby, but she was quite busy with the start of the semester.

  • We had a lot of meetings w/ her prior to the semester starting

    • Thursday best for NA and probably all of us.

Agenda (Part 1): “Review of workshop”

What do we need from Abby?

  • A list of attendees, for both workshops.

  • Patterns.

  • Do we want different list of requirements between this proto-workshop and the future ones?

JC’s further work on patterns

  • We can review this today and ask Abby for her thoughts as well on Thursday

Collective review:

  • brittleness?

  • chaos as a pattern

  • trivial: partic*-*ipants?

  • Our ship metaphor is building on other ship metaphors (like the polis as a ship for the Ancient Greeks)

  • Dissolving boundaries : “we only see nature as something to consume”

Feedback on ¶: Patterns, Dissolving boundaries, etc.

  • It sums up a lot of our common ground to create a good working environment (e.g., ‘the ocean’)

  • But, regarding the workshop itself, thinking about ‘social contract’ and ‘X contract’, I’m not sure how relevant it is for our presentation of the workshop methods...

  • We need to be careful about what we put in the heads of participants when we get started

  • Some of the things will be thought-provoking, but if we talk too much about ‘dissolving boundaries’ (removing identity as well as expertise)

    • People may be too aware of the process...!

  • Some of the points ought to be mentioned before we start the workshop (a blurb); some of the things might need to be communicated after the workshop to explain why

  • JC: also the midway point where we’ll introduce different things to different people

  • If we talk about ‘dissolution of self relative to environment’ — this should be entirely done by Phase I

    • "This is what allowed us to go to the very bottom of the problem as citizens"

    • "As we’re now going to mobilise your expertise, be aware that we’ve now dissolved the boundaries between all of you; we’ve also dissolved you with regard to your environment"

BREAK

Agenda (Part 2): "All tech business"

Idea: AM’s tech-demo?

  • If you type a word, it will recognise that it’s a dog...

  • But there’s no further brain...

Implementation: Walk through of Joe’s grant

  • Features of text tools:

    • Add concept modelling (based on Noorah’s work)

  • s/playes/plays/

PARreview

1. Establish what is happening: what and how are we learning?

  • We’re taking a laid-back meeting, staying to about one hour

  • JC: Perfect day here in the UK

    • NA: Antidote to the SADs!

  • LV: I decided to share a little less and focus on what I want to share rather than having constant logorhea... I don’t need to steal the show w/ a long rant about X and Y.

    • JC: Mind can create pain or make it go away, apparently.

      • LV: I wish I could wish away pain!

      • NA: I hate how much it distracts you from other things

      • LV: It’s like a buzzing fly, it doesn’t produce a lot of noise, but it can be still annoying partly because there’s no pattern

2. What are some different perspectives on what's happening?

  • NA: How do you do the emojis?

  • LV: Emojis look wrong in Org Bullets!

    • I used to love Nyan cat but I realised it was very distacting

      • JC: Let’s not over-design our stuff

3. What did we learn or change?

  • "Fly" is feminine in both Arabic and French

    • NA: I can guess the gender of French words based on Arabic

      • LV: It’s possible that there are language borrowings

  • Sun/Moon gender is opposite in French and German

  • LV: I recommend the retelling of "The Stranger" from a different perspective by Kamel Daoud

    • NA: Worth rereading "The Stranger"

  • LV: I read "The Plague" ("La Peste") by Camus before Covid!

  • LV: "When Annie Ernaux says ‘I’, the reader feels ‘we’."

4. What else should we change going forward?

  • More chat time is good

  • Short sessions sometimes are OK

Tentative agenda for next week

  • Meeting with Abby

  • EmacsConf Conference

  • Workshop

  • JC: I want to share my Google Calendar for the week on Monday so I don’t miss important things

  • NA: Won’t be around next Saturday

Check-out

NA

  • Going back to bed, and may order Thai food

JC

  • I have lots of Algerian food to eat later

LV

  • Hungry and going to go cook now, I was supposed to have something here now, but don’t, so I must cook

  • Healing my leg...

    • NA: Ouch!!! Did you get a tetanus shot?

    • I couldn’t have done it better if I wanted to get a tattoo


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